This episode features an interview with James Barton, a Seton Hall Law School student and member of the Seton Hall Law Review. We discuss his work-in-progress which focuses on the use of dark patterns and other manipulative design practices in the online sports betting industry.
While new scandals coming to light weekly, the growth of online sports betting hasn’t slowed. There are still new markets and opportunities to explore, including women’s and youth sports. In fact, it is difficult to imagine who could ever disrupt this wildly successful industry – except, of course, an industry that’s figured out a way around all the rules and regulations.Features excerpts of interviews with:Cole Wogoman, Senior Manager, Government Relations and League PartnershipsIlya Beylin, Associate Professor of LawLegal Materials Referenced:
Central Hudson Gas & Elec. v. Public Svc. Comm’n, 447 U.S. 557 (1980) 44 Liquormart, Inc. v. Rhode Island, 517 U.S. 484 (1996) Kan. Stat. Ann. § 74-8785 Conn. Gen. Stat. Ann. § 12-863 N.C. Gen. Stat. Ann. § 18C-910 17 CFR § 40.11 Event Contracts, 89 Fed. Reg. 48968 CFTC, Rel. No. 9137-25 (Sept. 30, 2025), CFTC Staff Issues Advisory on Certain Contract Markets KalshiEx v. Hendrick, No. 2:25-cv-575 (D. Nev.) KalshiEx v. Flaherty, No. 1:25-cv-2152 (D.N.J.) Robinhood Derivatives v. Dreitzer, No. 2:25-cv-01541 (D. Nev.) Robinhood Derivatives v. Flaherty, No. 1:25-cv-14723 (D.N.J.) Robinhood v. Campbell, No. 1:25-cv-12578 (D. Ma.)Cited Articles:
Andrew Kim and John Servidio, On the Line: The Legality of Sports Prediction Markets Will Soon Be Tested Other Sources:
2024 Sports Betting Advertising Trends, American Gaming Association Canadian Centre on Substance Use and Addiction, Gambling Availability and Advertising in Canada
The question of how legal sports betting has changed, and will continue to change, the culture of sports is a complicated one. The wide array of platforms and products certainly increases opportunity and decreases risk for bad actors to influence athletes or impermissibly utilize inside information. On the other hand, technology advances and data sharing have made anomalies easier to detect. And while wagers may increase emotional investment that benefits the bottom line, that emotion often spills over onto athletes in undesirable ways.Features excerpts of interviews with:Matt Holt, CEO (former)IC360Bob Boland, Assistant Professor of LawSeton Hall Law SchoolKaty Larkin, Senior Director for the Office of Student ConductPenn State UniversityLegal Materials Referenced:
H.B. 33, 135th Gen. Assemb., (Ohio 2023) H.B. 4700, 2024 Reg. Sess., (W. Va. 2024) S.B. 4332, 2024 Reg. Sess. (N.J. 2025)Other Sources:
Devin Gordon, US Integrity Catches Pro Athletes Involved in Betting Schemes, Bloomberg Law White Collar & Criminal Law Newsletter Hunter Patterson, Timeline of Jontay Porter’s NBA Career and Gambling Investigations by League, Police, N.Y. Times: The Athletic Matt Rybaltowski, Source: ‘Pervasive’ Wagering from Colts Player Includes Bets on His Own Team, Sportshandle.com Meghan Durham Wright, Former Alabama Baseball Head Coach Violated Wagering, Ethical Conduct Rules, NCAA,org Pavle Markovic, Five Iowa State Football Staffers Disciplined by NCAA for Violating Sports Gambling Rules, Iowa State Daily Scott Dochterman, How a Gambling Sting Ensnared 2 Dozen Athletes and Raised Questions for the NCAA, N.Y. Times: The Athletic Meghan Durham Wright, DI Council Introduces Proposal to Allow Betting on Pro Sports, NCAA,org David Purdum, Sports Bettor Sentenced After Pleading Guilty to Threatening Tampa Bay Rays Players, ESPN.com Doug Greenberg, Venmo Requests and Death Threats: Heckling in the Digital Sports Betting Age, ESPN.com Tyler Kepner, ‘People Suck, Dude’: MLB Players on the Impact of Sports Betting on Fan Interactions, N.Y. Times: The Athletic Massillon Myers, NCAA to Begin Advocating for Updated Sports Betting Laws in State Legislatures, NCAA.org Saquandra Heath, ‘Don’t Be a Loser’: NCAA Launches Sports Betting Anti-Harassment Video, NCAA.org
Building on the general information on gambling harms and treatment options for compulsive gambling, this episode focuses on advocacy for “responsible gaming.” Do responsible gaming tools have a beneficial effect? How big is the gap between what advocates recommend and what operators adopt, either voluntarily or because they are compelled by laws and regulations?Features excerpts of interviews with:Jacob Coin, Executive AdvisorShelley White, former CEOCole Wogoman, Senior Manager, Government Relations and League PartnershipsChristina Cook, Founder and HostLegal Materials Referenced:
Withdrawing Arduous Gaming Excise Rates Act, S. 4872, 118th Congress (2023-24) Responsible Gaming, 57 N.J. Reg. 2230(a) (proposed Sept. 15, 2025)Government Sources:
Self-Exclusion Frequently Asked Questions, NJ Off. of the Att’y Gen.Other Sources:
Standards & Criteria for iGaming, Responsible Gambling Council Internet Responsible Gambling Standards, Nat. Council on Problem Gambling U.S. States’ Online Sports Betting Regulations Nat. Council on Problem Gambling (Sept. 2024)
Where there is gambling, there are addicted gamblers. Gambling addiction is more than just an economic problem – it can have a profoundly serious impact on the lives of individuals who are affected – but the research on, and funding for treatment of, compulsive gambling is only a fraction of what is available for substance use disorders. The rapid growth of sports betting has created a new challenge in this space, impacting a new demographic of young men. This episode provides some foundational information about gambling addiction and recovery as a foundation for a discussion of responsible gaming and industry response to concerns about gambling harms.Features excerpts of interviews with:Jeff Wasserman, Judicial Outreach and Development DirectorCole Wogoman, Senior Manager, Government Relations and League PartnershipsChristina Cook, Founder and HostCited Articles:
Heather Wardel et al., The Lancet Public Health Commission on Gambling, 9(11) Lancet Pub. Health e950 (2024) George G. Fenich, A Chronology of (Legal) Gaming in the U.S., 3 UNLV Gaming Rsch & Rev. J. 65 (1996) Marie-Cecile O. Tidwell et al., Gambling Modes and State Gambling Laws: Changes from 1999 to 2011 and Beyond, 19(1) Gaming L. Rev. Econ. 13 (2015)Other Sources:
American Psychiatric Association, What is Gambling Disorder? American Gaming Association, State of Play Map Georgetown University McCourt School of Public Policy Center for Children and Families, How Medicaid Helps People with Substance Use Disorders National Association of Administrators for Disordered Gambling Services, 2023 Budget Update of Publicly Funded Problem Gambling Services in the United States
With all the negative coverage of sports betting – concerns about gambling harms, cheating scandals, bad behavior directed towards athletes – the casual observer to wonder why we ever wanted it in the first place or why state legislators continue to push sports betting forward. The reality is that the sports betting industry has benefits, both economic and social, that make it hard to quit.Features excerpts of interviews with:Matt Holt, CEO (former)IC360Prof. Marc Edelman, Law Professor, Attorney and Sports Business ExpertZicklin School of Business, Baruch College
Dennis Drazin, PartnerDrazin & Warshaw, PC
Ronald Riccio, Dean EmeritusSeton Hall Law SchoolOf Counsel at McElroy DeutschLegal Materials Referenced:
Marc Edelman, A Short Treatise on Fantasy Sports and the Law: How America Regulates its New National Pastime, 3 Harv. J. Sports & Ent. L. 1 (2012) Marc Edelman, Navigating the Legal Risks of Daily Fantasy Sports: A Detailed Primer in Federal and State Gambling Law, 2016 U. Ill. L. Rev. 117 (2016) A.B. 5803, 2024-2025 (N.J. 2025)Government Sources:
State of NJ, Annual Report of the Casino Revenue Fund Advisory Commission (2023) Office of the Attorney General, 2025 New Jersey Governor’s Task Force Report on Responsible GamingOther Sources:
David Purdum & Darren Rovell, NBA Signs Deal with MGM to be Gaming Partner, ESPN Adam Hoffer, Bets on Legal Sports Markets Pay Off Big for States, Sportsbooks, and Consumers, Tax Foundation Adam Hoffer, Online Sports Betting Taxes by State, 2024, Tax Foundation
Season 2 is back after a short hiatus, and taking you back to a time when Congress banned sports betting. What drove this legislation and how was it overturned?
Features excerpts of interviews with:
Bob Boland, Assistant Professor of Law
Seton Hall Law School
Dennis Drazin, Partner
Drazin & Warshaw, PC
Edward Hartnett, Richard J. Hughes Professor of Law
Seton Hall Law School
Ronald Riccio, Dean Emeritus
Seton Hall Law School
Of Counsel at McElroy Deutsch
Legal Materials Referenced:
New York v. United States, 505 U.S. 144 (1992) Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997) Murphy v. NCAA, 584 U.S. 453 (2018) Edward A. Hartnett, Distinguishing Permissible Preemption from Unconstitutional Commandeering, 96 Notre Dame L. Rev. 351 (2020)Other Sources:
Evan Andrews, What Was the 1919 ‘Black Sox’ Baseball Scandal
The first episode of this new season serves as an introduction to the current online sports betting landscape and the debate around legalization, responsible gaming initiatives, funding for addiction treatment, and criticisms of the industry by public health advocates. The season will delve into the history of sports betting, integrity, and the future of this increasingly normalized activity, focusing on its impact on the culture of sports and those at risk of addiction.
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This final episode closes with some final thoughts from most of my guests about where this issue currently stands, where it could be headed, and what we should be doing with our concerns in the meantime.
Look for more episodes of Hearsay from the Sidelines coming later in 2024!
Dara Purvis (Faculty Profile)
Associate Dean for Research and Partnerships & Professor of Law, Penn State Law
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Kim Yuracko (Faculty Profile)
Judd and Mary Morris Leighton Professor of Law, Northwestern Pritzker School of Law
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Erin Buzuvis (Faculty Profile)
Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and Professor of Law, Western New England School of Law
Maayan Sudai (Faculty Profile)
Assistant Professor of Law and of Women and Gender Studies, University of Haifa
Director, Harvard GenderSci Lab
Kurt Weaver
Executive Director, You Can Play Project
Shira Berkowitz (Organizational Bio)
Senior Director of Public Policy & Advocacy, PROMO
Val Moyer
Researcher,Athlete Ally
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In this episode I explore the various factions who, despite their different general ideologies, have united in advocating for the exclusion of trans kids from sports. My guests and I discuss why this presents such a challenge when working to educate and advocate around this issue. I also provide some additional details on one of the largest and most powerful organizations supporting exclusion.
Erin Buzuvis (Faculty Profile)
Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and Professor of Law, Western New England School of Law
Kurt Weaver
Executive Director, You Can Play Project
Shira Berkowitz (Organizational Bio)
Senior Director of Public Policy & Advocacy, PROMO
Bob Boland (Faculty Profile)
Assistant Professor of Law, Seton Hall Law
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The theme song for Hearsay from the Sidelines Season 1 is “Splendor Dysphoria” by SuperKnova. I want to express my gratitude to the artist for permission to use the song. You can hear more from SuperKnova on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you stream your music.
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When I started thinking about how to address the issue of trans exclusion from youth sports, I knew I needed to include the culture/industry of youth sports as part of the discussion. The pressure to compete and perform at a high level in athletics is reaching kids earlier than ever before, facilitated by parents who see success in sports as the ticket to success in life. This episode explores the relationship between the increased parental investment in kids' athletic achievements and the social acquiescence to the exclusion of trans kids from sports.
Kirsten Jones
Peak Performance Coach, Podcast Host, Author
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Kurt Weaver
Executive Director You Can Play Project
Val Moyer
Researcher, Athlete Ally
Bob Boland (Faculty Profile)
Assistant Professor of Law Seton Hall Law
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The theme song for Hearsay from the Sidelines Season 1 is “Splendor Dysphoria” by SuperKnova. I want to express my gratitude to the artist for permission to use the song. You can hear more from SuperKnova on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you stream your music.
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One of the most commonly expressed objections to the inclusion of trans athletes is that it is fundamentally unfair, particularly to cis women and girls, to compete against trans women and girls. While this cultural belief may be ubiquitous, the science behind it is far from black and white. Without any substantive, multi-sport studies that include trans youth, much of the "evidence" of unfair advantage is merely inferred from other studies of biological difference. But with so much on the line for an already-marginalized community, we should be wary when anyone tries to justify exclusion solely on loose correlations between sex and strength and sport performance. As I highlighted in Episode 3, this same type of unconsciously biased thinking kept women and girls out of sports and diminished the accomplishments of black athletes.
In this week's episode, I dig into the "science" of unfair advantage in athletics and explore some of the other non-biological advantages in interscholastic sports that exist unchallenged with a diverse panel of guests:
Val Moyer
Researcher Athlete Ally
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Maayan Sudai (Faculty Profile)
Assistant Professor of Law and of Women and Gender Studies, University of Haifa
Director, Harvard GenderSci Lab
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Kirsten Jones
Peak Performance Coach, Podcast Host, Author
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Kim Yuracko (Faculty Profile)
Judd and Mary Morris Leighton Professor of Law, Northwestern Pritzker School of Law
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The theme song for Hearsay from the Sidelines Season 1 is “Splendor Dysphoria” by SuperKnova. I want to express my gratitude to the artist for permission to use the song. You can hear more from SuperKnova on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you stream your music.
This episode picks up where the last left off – about 50 years ago – when Title IX's enactment changed education and athletics for women and girls in some big ways. But this 50 year old statute and implementing regulations were not created with trans and non-binary students in mind. Messaging on how schools must create and adapt policies with these students in mind, including rules about athletic participation, has been inconsistent and confusing. To help address this, amendments to the regulations have been proposed. If these changes are finalized, there will certainly be improvements for trans kids in school, but it is not clear that their opportunities to participate in school athletics will be fully protected.
I discussed my thoughts and concerns about the agency language surrounding the proposed rule changes extensively in my interviews and share some excerpts of those conversations with three of them in this episode:
Kim Yuracko (Faculty Profile)
Judd and Mary Morris Leighton Professor of Law, Northwestern Pritzker School of Law
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Erin Buzuvis (Faculty Profile)
Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and Professor of Law, Western New England School of Law
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Dara Purvis (Faculty Profile)
Associate Dean for Research and Partnerships & Professor of Law, Penn State Law
Other reports, articles, statutes, rules, rulemaking documents, cases, and administrative materials referenced in this episode:
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Statutes, Regulations, & Rulemaking Documents
Cases
Administrative Materials
The theme song for Hearsay from the Sidelines Season 1 is “Splendor Dysphoria” by SuperKnova. I want to express my gratitude to the artist for permission to use the song. You can hear more from SuperKnova on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you stream your music.
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To better understand how and why sports are a part of education, this episode goes back to where they started. Although the culture of youth sports has certainly evolved, the purpose of interscholastic athletics really has not. Today, just like 100 years ago, educators value the role of sport in preparing kids for success in life. But the structures governing competition have always limited who can participate and how they are recognized. Many thanks to all the guests who contributed their thoughts.
This episode features clips from conversations with:
Kim Yuracko (Faculty Profile)
Judd and Mary Morris Leighton Professor of Law Northwestern Pritzker School of Law
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Kirsten Jones
Peak Performance Coach, Podcast Host, Author
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Val Moyer
Researcher Athlete Ally
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Bob Boland (Faculty Profile)
Assistant Professor of Law Seton Hall Law
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The theme song for Hearsay from the Sidelines Season 1 is “Splendor Dysphoria” by SuperKnova. I want to express my gratitude to the artist for permission to use the song. You can hear more from SuperKnova on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you stream your music.
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Episode 2 looks at the recent legislative push to ban transgender kids from scholastic sports across the country in the context of the anti-trans bathroom bans that preceded it. I also dive into the Soule v. Connecticut case that is so frequently referenced as an example of trans athlete exceptionalism despite the actual facts. There will be more later in the season on the organizations encouraging the passage of sports bans and supporting their defense in court, but my guests in this episode start to shed some light on who they are and what motivates their actions. I extend my deepest thanks to each of the contributors to this episode who shared their knowledge and insights with me.
This episode features clips from conversations with:
Shira Berkowitz (Organizational Bio)
Senior Director of Public Policy & Advocacy, PROMO
Val Moyer
Researcher, Athlete Ally
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Bob Boland (Faculty Profile)
Assistant Professor of Law, Seton Hall Law
Dara Purvis (Faculty Profile)
Associate Dean for Research and Partnerships & Professor of Law, Penn State Law
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Other articles, cases, and sources cited in this episode:
The theme song for Hearsay from the Sidelines Season 1 is “Splendor Dysphoria” by SuperKnova. I want to express my gratitude to the artist for permission to use the song. You can hear more from SuperKnova on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you stream your music.
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In Episode 1, I start to introduce you to some of the legal scholars and advocates I interviewed in my research. Their remarks all come from recorded interviews that are available in full via provided links. I excerpted these specific portions to frame my approach to discussing the significance of excluding transgender youth from playing sports with their peers. In addition to causing direct harm to individuals, participation bans create broader social harms that we should find extremely concerning. If we value the provision of a well-rounded and robust primary educational experience to all children, then it strikes me as profoundly inconsistent to support cutting trans and non-binary kids out of a significant aspect of that experience. It is important to this issue that we consider what an education consists of, and the role athletics plays in our educational institutions. I am tremendously grateful to each of these individuals for the time they spent, both during their interviews and before.
This episode features clips from conversations with:
Shira Berkowitz (Organizational Bio)
Senior Director of Public Policy & Advocacy, PROMO
Erin Buzuvis (Faculty Profile)
Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and Professor of Law, Western New England School of Law
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Dr. Jeremy Piasecki (Organizational Bio)
Executive Director, Culture in Sports
Kurt Weaver
Chief Operating Officer, You Can Play Project
Kim Yuracko (Faculty Profile)
Judd and Mary Morris Leighton Professor of Law, Northwestern Pritzker School of Law
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Other articles, sources, and media referenced in this episode:
The theme song for Hearsay from the Sidelines Season 1 is “Splendor Dysphoria” by SuperKnova. I want to express my gratitude to the artist for permission to use the song. You can hear more from SuperKnova on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you stream your music.
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This brief prologue explains a bit about who I am as host and creator of Season 1 of Hearsay from the Sidelines. You can learn more about me as a professional via my Seton Hall Law faculty profile. My interest in creating a podcast focused on the issue of transgender youth inclusion in scholastic sports grew out of a forthcoming article I wrote on podcasting as a medium for legal scholarship (draft available on SSRN). As I explain, I am not a civil rights, gender, or sports law scholar and I have not previously written about transgender issues in any form.
My approach to this season’s focus is framed by my personal beliefs that trans rights must be protected in all aspects of life and that access to sports and physical activity is important for all people, especially kids. Given the progress we have made, both socially and legally, in formalizing legal protections for LGBTQ+ people, I struggle to understand why sports, particularly youth sports, has unearthed such ambivalence about this specific aspect of civil rights for trans people. An organized campaign of lawsuits, state legislative action, and media punditry is the most obvious culprit. Bu the sentiment against trans inclusion runs deeper and certainly implicates a national history of gender inequity, general acceptance of misunderstood science about sex differences, and the cultural elevation of youth athletics to a level of significance not seen in previous generations. This is the tangled knot I want to dive into and start to pull apart. I certainly don’t think I have specific solutions to offer, nor am I confident I can even add anything entirely novel to the conversation. But I hope others will benefit from an exploration of the scholarship, legal issues, and historical context interwoven throughout the debate, and find themselves better positioned to engage with this topic more thoughtfully.
The theme song for Hearsay from the Sidelines Season 1 is “Splendor Dysphoria” by SuperKnova. I want to express my gratitude to the artist for permission to use the song. You can hear more from SuperKnova on iTunes, Spotify, or wherever you stream your music.
Listen to our new show: “Hearsay From the Sidelines.” Season 1 will explore the debate on trans inclusion in youth sports and consider how exclusion causes, not just individual harm, but broader harms to the goals of equity in education and a more inclusive society.